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Do YOU believe in me?
Normally, I find inspirational speakers to be pretty cheesy. But this young man is different.
This weekend, while visiting my wife’s family in Ohio, one of them let me know that she reads my blog. But, sometimes I get a little long-winded … which is, well, completely true. So, I will try to make my posts shorter and more to the point (and maybe that will even help me post more!).
On a related note, would an alternative explanation be that my blog posts are not too long but that Ohians just have shorter attention spans than we Michiganders?
I kid, I kid.
Hey friends,
I’m on vacation until the end of the week!
Doing some good fishing, some bad golfing, and enjoying my wife and family.
I hope you enjoy your week as much as I am going to enjoy mine!
Over the past two weeks, we’ve had a lively debate about torture and whether or not a Christian can justify it (here and here).
Personally, I love a good debate, and for the most part, I’ve learned to detach a debate with a person about an idea from my perception of the person as a person. In other words, disagreeing about an idea doesn’t mean I have a lower opinion of someone.
In the second discussion about torture, I made these comments:
..my attempt to construct a theology that is opposed to torture is not an attempt to part ways with Jesus as God but rather an attempt to become more faithful to him — and I realize that’s your desire too; we have just come to different conclusions in our attempts at faithfulness…
I wanted to repost this for a couple reasons.
First, because I don’t want to give the impression that I don’t want to hear your opinion — because I do, and that’s one of my main reasons for starting the blog. I value the opinion of others, and I don’t want to squelch those opinions because I lay it on too thick in the comments.
Second, because I know that some of my theological musings might be foreign, and because they are unfamiliar, it might be easy to dismiss them as something I’m creating out of thin air. But please know that my posts are always, always, always an attempt to become more faithful to Jesus in the way I think — because I do believe that the way we think usually determines how we act. And I, for one, do want to act more like Jesus.
So, if you do read my blog, please know that I always welcome comments, and I hope that as we move forward we will be able to disagree generously. Because if we always assume that the person with whom we disagree has the best intentions in mind, we end up having discussions that enhance the perspectives of everyone who participates.
Thoughts on Christians persecuting, not loving, their neighbors
Published April 28, 2009 Uncategorized 3 CommentsSo, you’re sitting in the lunch room at work, when someone commits the unforgivable party foul: they start a conversation about their religious convictions. If you’re lucky, the conversation will remain civil, and it could even lead to greater mutual understanding among your coworkers. But, if you’re unlucky, the conversation could quickly degenerate into a middle-school-like name-calling affair. “How could an intelligent person ever believe that?” Might be the closing phrase. Or even worse, “Well, at least I won’t be burning in hell for all eternity!” might disassemble the group.
But regardless of who “wins” this mess, at least someone is going to leave the table feeling persecuted. Maybe it’s you. Or maybe it’s your neighbor in the cube next door.
What I have never given much thought to, however, is how a conversation like this might make a non-religious person feel.
Daniel Florien acknowledges that oftentimes, non-religious folks feel persecuted. I guess that’s not surprising after thinking about it for a few seconds. What was surprising to me, however, is how he suggests people should respond.
“Don’t Return Criticism
This seems obvious, but it’s easy to forget. When someone criticizes us, we want to criticize them in return — or at least complain about them. Fight that urge. It doesn’t solve anything and creates a vicious circle.
Be Sympathetic
Remember that you probably once thought like they do. You know how they feel and why — they’re trying to help you in their misguided way. This should make you sympathetic instead of angry, which means you’ll be happier and less likely to say things you’ll regret.
Talk to Them Privately
If a family member or friend is constantly pressuring you and/or making barbed comments, have a private conversation with them about it. Tell them their methods are ineffective and damaging to your relationship.
Explain that you love talking and debating, but social pressure and bullying is not going to change your mind, because you reject Christianity for intellectual reasons, not relational.
Disagree Calmly
Whenever you get into an argument, never raise your voice. Listen to what they have to say, consider it, and respond calmly. If they get angry, ask them also to be calm. This keeps the tone civil and keeps things from getting out of hand. If things get uncomfortable, insert a joke to lighten the mood.
Emphasize Your Open-Mindedness
You are open to believing anything if there is evidence for it — tell them that again and again. And be sure to act on that open-mindedness. They won’t criticize you if you are willing to seriously consider what they have to say.
Admit When You’re Wrong
Whenever you realize you are wrong, admit it. It’s hard to criticize someone who is willing to admit they’re wrong. It also makes it easier for others to admit they are wrong. As Dale Carnegie said:
You will never get into trouble by admitting that you may be wrong. That will stop all argument and inspire your opponent to be just as fair and open and broad-minded as you are. It will make him want to admit that he, too, may be wrong.
Don’t Tell Them They’re Wrong
I don’t think anyone has ever changed their mind because someone said, “You’re wrong!” That doesn’t change minds — it closes them. It puts people on the defensive. It hurts their pride. It also makes them dislike you.
Instead, use tact. Try to understand things from their perspective. Ask them to explain their beliefs and why they hold them. Perhaps through questioning you will show them their position is illogical or cannot be supported by facts. But don’t just tell them they are wrong. That’s an easy way to make an enemy.
Listen, Listen, Listen
Don’t be a bore — you know, the guy with the inflated ego who loves the sound of his own voice. If you want someone to listen to you, you must listen to them. Don’t interrupt to interject your witty insight or fact correction. Have the respect to listen to others the way you want them to listen to you.
Focus on Areas of Agreement
Always end on a note of agreement. You may not agree with them about the resurrection of Jesus, but you both can agree that it is a hard thing to believe — even Thomas doubted, after all. You can agree that it is good to question things and make sure there is sufficient evidence to believe in it. And so on.
Instead of emphasizing where you disagree, emphasize where you agree.
Love Them Anyway
Life is too short to make enemies of friends. If possible, ignore their vices and enjoy their virtues.”
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Interesting post, you think? I think so, and here’s why: this post is from www.unreasonablefaith.com which is written by a converted atheist. Daniel was formerly an evangelical Christian and eventually became an atheist (and is somewhat evangelical about his atheism).
I guess I have never really thought much about how an atheist would feel persecuted by a religious person, but after having read his blog for a while, it makes a lot of sense to me. I can see how a discussion about religion that quickly turns into, “Well, if you want to burn in hell forever, that’s your choice!” could be awful.
So, some things I’ve been thinking about over the past few days as I’ve digested this post:
1) I think this post is an indictment of the way we do evangelism. In the first place, evangelism must be holistic. The command to preach the gospel must always be paired with the command to love one’s neighbor. Evangelism is not about “I’m right. You’re wrong. And if you don’t believe me, then make sure to get back to me when you’re burning for all eternity.” That’s not love. And frankly, that’s not Gospel either.
By contrast, the type of evangelism I would consider to be authentic can be summed simply (at the risk of sounding cliche): Talk the talk, and walk the walk.
Be open, honest, and transparent about who you are and what you believe. And back up those words with a lifestyle that is consistent with what you say. If you’re a Christian who believes strongly in loving and serving others, then your actions should show that.
Furthermore, I would take a page from Daniel’s book and say:
I don’t think anyone has ever changed their mind because someone said, “You’re wrong!” That doesn’t change minds — it closes them. It puts people on the defensive. It hurts their pride. It also makes them dislike you.
Instead, use tact. Try to understand things from their perspective. Ask them to explain their beliefs and why they hold them. Perhaps through questioning you will show them their position is illogical or cannot be supported by facts. But don’t just tell them they are wrong. That’s an easy way to make an enemy.
In the second place, I think it’s downright wrong to ever assume the place of judge over another person. If Christians are right, and there is a final judgment in eternity, we should remember who the judge will be — not us. Remember that if we’re right, we too will stand as defendants, not judges. What makes us think we have the right to play the role of judge in the here and now?
2) I think that in many ways, this post sounds a lot more like Jesus than a lot of Christians I talk to.
To understand what I’m saying, let’s take a quick survey of the Gospels, the narratives that tell Jesus’ story to us.
Does Jesus’ ever pronounce judgment on a person or a group of people? Yep. For sure. No question. But, Christians believe Jesus is God (which is a bit of a game-changer, don’t you think?). But even more importantly for our purposes, consider that Jesus’ words of judgment are almost always directed internally and not externally.
Jesus’ parables of rebuke are almost always directed at Jewish religious leaders, and lest we forget, Jesus was a Jewish rabbi.
When it comes to “outsiders” Jesus is almost always incredibly generous, loving, and forgiving. Take Zaccheus, the woman at the well, Mary Magdalene, and the list goes on and on. Would it be fair to say that any of these people would have felt persecuted by Jesus? I, for one, don’t think so.
3) Remember that Christian faith is just that, faith.
We cannot prove what we believe and confess to be true about Jesus, God, Trinity, Incarnation, Creation, and the list goes. We believe all those things to be true, but we can’t prove them.
And that can make faith hard, really hard sometimes … and that believing without seeing even led one of Jesus’ disciples to doubt. As Daniel rightly notes, even Thomas doubted the resurrection.
For all their trouble, the rest of the disciples could not convince Thomas that Jesus had been raised from the dead. I can only imagine that they each told him their experience of the empty and hence risen savior. I can imagine that they reasoned and even argued with him. But he was a skeptic and refused to believe.
And the only one who could convince a skeptic like Thomas was Jesus himself.
I would suggest that story itself should change the way we think about the skeptics we encounter in our own lives, even when that skeptic is ourselves (it’s been that way for me, many, many times).
It’s not our job to save the world. After all, if we’re right about Jesus, that’s his job — and he’s already done that.
We’re not called to be telemarketers who harass people into buying our product.
By contrast, we are called to live as witnesses — in word and deed — to the salvation that Jesus has already accomplished.
And that means loving people altruistically and unconditionally, regardless of how they receive the message of Jesus — because that’s exactly what Jesus did and continues to do.
10 Shocking Facts About Global Slavery in 2008
Published April 1, 2009 Uncategorized Leave a CommentWhen I read this, I almost fell out of my chair. Slavery is something that I think of as past tense… it never even hits on my radar.
This article shows me that I’m wrong about that. You can find the full article here, and I think you should give it a read — and let it really sink in.
And help me answer this question — because I really don’t know the answer. How does being a follower of Christ affect my opinion about this and any action I would take?
Edit: It looks like the video I linked has been taken down. You can find the complete episode at Comedy Central’s website:
Thanks to Sojourners for posting this on their blog.
If you’re like me, you’re pinching pennies because of the tough economy right now. And most likely, you’re furious at the people who made it happen and the greed that consumed them. And finally, you probably feel powerless and small — what on Earth can I do about any of it?
Thank you, Jon Stewart, for standing up for the little people. Please take the time to watch this video. Jon Stewart absolutely grills Jim Cramer and his piece-of-crap TV show, Mad Money. He exposes him as a fraud and catches him in multiple lies. Sojourners even went so far as to call him a prophet for doing so…


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